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The
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...
Dedicated to continuous improvement across all levels.
...
Dedicated to truth, honesty, freedom and integrity.
The plan
is simple and straightforward. You are always in charge
of your money and your decisions. Helping others to help
themselves creates abundance and wealth for all.
Nothing
is more rewarding than showing other members how to achieve
their dreams. It may mean being able to buy cars, boats
or homes for cash. Retirement and pensions cease to be
a problem – no more having to depend on the government
for handouts.
To inform
potential members of this once in a lifetime opportunity
proven and approved advertising of all types is available
to be sent out by our members. Responses for more information
are frequent.
Is this
really possible?
We planned
this system very carefully to ensure that it produces
results. Many years of trial and research went into the
marketing data and strategies. It has been test driven
by us! We know it works for us and it will for you too.
We pride ourselves on having access to the best financial
strategies anywhere in the world.
This fantastic
programme builds true wealth fast – faster than anything
else. Nothing can beat it – it is the best.
Review:
Liberty Wealth
Club is a copycat of The Ultimate Entrepreneur Club (TUE
Club), a multi-level scheme which we reviewed in the August
2007 issue of BOW.
We rated The Ultimate Entrepreneur Club Zero out of Ten
because most people would lose money with it and also
it was illegal in the UK. The reason why most people would
lose money with The Ultimate Entrepreneur Club is because
you have to recruit 6 people in order to make any money.
6 people is a lot - most people who enter network marketing
struggle even to recruit three people.
The Ultimate Entrepreneur Club is illegal in the UK because
it is a multi-level scheme and it should comply with the
Trading Schemes Regulations, but it doesn't comply. That's
a criminal offence.
One of the requirements of the Trading Schemes Regulations
is that the maximum amount that a scheme can legally demand
from recruits in the first 7 days after signing the contract
is £200, whereas the Ultimate Entrepreneur Club
demands $1,250 at the outset. Furthermore, the Regulations
require a scheme to give people the right to cancel their
contract and have a full refund in the first 14 days after
signing, which this scheme does not, and neither does
it give an address in the UK for the return of goods.
Also, such schemes are obliged to display the "Statutory
Warning" wherever they mention earnings, as follows:
"It is illegal for a promoter or participant in a trading
scheme to persuade anyone to make a payment by promising
benefits from getting other people to join a trading scheme.
Do not be misled by claims that high earnings can be easily
achieved.".
The Ultimate Entrepreneur Club does not display this warning.
Anyone who promotes Liberty Wealth Club in the UK without
this warning and without compliance with the other requirements
of the Trading Schemes Regulations is guilty of a criminal
offence.
The Ultimate Entrepreneur Club itself was a remake of
an earlier scheme called Investors International,which
was the brainchild of Dr. Rudolf Van Lin (real name Rudolf
Alexander Victor Linschoten). The Royal Canadian Mounted
Police issued a public warning about Investors International
in 1998. In 1999 the New Zealand Securities Commission
issued a Bulletin referring to court action which had
been taken in Australia against the company promoting
the scheme and its director. In September 1999 Dr. Lin
was convicted of fraud for his involvement in a "prime
bank" scheme and was jailed for nearly five years.
The prime bank scheme was called Sabre Asset Management
and it was promoted to members of Investors International
at various conferences on luxurious cruises and in expensive
hotels.
Liberty Wealth Club itself makes worrying references to
seminars about "investments only the wealthy are
normally privy to" on its 5-7 day seminar cruise
event, without giving any details about who are the speakers
or what their qualifications are or whether they are registered
with the Financial Services Authority or whether the investments
are covered by the Financial Ombudsman scheme. They say
on their website, "These Key Seminars not only
allow you to make more money, with our unique money making
plan, but show you where to put your money to make it
work for you instead of you working for money".
We are not suggesting that these investments have anything
to do with bogus schemes, but what we are saying is that
the lack of any kind of detail about them is clearly a
concern.
You might have thought that the "Wealth"
in Liberty Wealth Club came from learning about and applying
the information in the material provided as part of the
courses and seminars. It doesn't. The "Wealth"
comes from selling this information to others. Under the
heading "The Liberty Wealth Club Marketing Plan"
it says, "Marketing The Programme ... This is
how you make your money ..." and it goes on to
explain the three levels in the club and the earnings
you can achieve from sales at each level.
Liberty Wealth Club has copied exactly the marketing same
structure as The Ultimate Entrepreneur Club. For example,
you have to pay £650 to enter and you then have
to recruit six people to lift yourself off the Foundation
Level.
And just like Ultimate Entrepreneur Club, Liberty Wealth
Club has two higher levels - Key Seminar 1 which you pay
£3,200 for and you are told that you will make profits
of £18,000 and Key Seminar 2 which you pay £16,000
for and you are told that you will make profits of £92,160.
Liberty Wealth Club shows exactly the same 6 x 6 profit
matrix and, just like Ultimate Entrepreneur Club, claims
that "Your first six in the Foundation of Freedom
sales can provide all the sales you need". This
is misleading because it assumes that everyone you recruit
succeeds in themselves recruiting six people. In practice,
this is near impossible because many people drop out of
multi-level schemes, and even those who are keen rarely
succeed in recruiting as many as six people.
There are other reasons why Liberty Wealth Club is illegal.
It is breaking the European E-commerce Regulations by
not stating who is the owner of the business. Is it a
proprietorial club, and if so who owns it? Or is it a
partnership? If so, who are the partners? Or is it owned
by a limited company? The club is also breaking European
E-commerce Regulations by not stating its address. The
name and address given at the head of this review are
the name and address shown for the person who registered
and administers the website at www. libertywealthclub.com.
Coincidentally, Gary Foxcroft was also a big shot in The
Ultimate Entrepreneur Club until he jumped ship last September
when Liberty Wealth Club was set up.
Liberty Wealth Club has also copied word for word whole
blocks of text from the website of the Ultimate Entrepreneur
Club.
I wrote to ask Gary Foxcroft to ask him some questions.
These questions appear below, together with replies from
a member of Liberty Wealth Club who said that he did not
wish to be named. The Liberty Wealth Club member subsequently
said that he did not realise that his replies were to
be published and he asserted copyright over them. For
that reason, his replies have been paraphrased:
1. Are you the owner of Liberty Wealth Club? If not, who
owns it and where can people interested in joining obtain
the names and addresses of its officers?
Reply from
Liberty Wealth Club member: The club is not owned
by Gary Foxcroft, He is a wholesaler of club materials.
It is a company not based in Europe and LWClub is 100%
owned by Liberty Wealth Publishing Ltd. Its day to day
business is run by an advisory board under a strict
private charter.
BOW reply: The reason why I addressed my questions
to Gary Foxcroft is because he appears to be the key
person for Liberty Wealth Club. He registered the club's
website last September using his own name and telephone
number and a PO Box address which is registered to his
own home address, and the WhoIs details for the site
show that he is the admin, technical and billing contact
for the site also. He answered the emails I sent to
him in February 2009 in an authoritative fashion, asserting
that "Liberty Wealth Club is not connected to
[The Ultimate Entrepreneur Club] in any way".
Finally, in February, he said that he would forward
my email to Liberty Wealth Club for their consideration,
and he told me that the email address of Liberty Wealth
Club is info@libertywealthclub.com. Then he sent me
an email from info@libertywealthclub.com to confirm
that he had forwarded my email to the club. So it seems
that he is so closely involved in the running of Liberty
Wealth Club that he uses their own email address.
Presumably, also, Gary Foxcroft needs to correct his
public profiles on plaxo.com where he says that he is
a "Co-founder" of Liberty Wealth Club
and also on ecademy.com where he says that he is "one
of 12 co-founders".
However, since you state that Liberty Wealth Club is
not owned by Gary Foxcroft but by a limited company
based in some undisclosed location overseas, I am copying
this present email to the email address at info@libertywealthclub.com.
You have not given the country of incorporation and
address of Liberty Wealth Publishing Ltd. However, where
it is incorporated does not change the fact that it
needs to be registered at Companies House. It's an offshore
company which is trading in the UK through a UK branch
- apparently located at Gary Foxcroft's home address.
Company accounts and details of the officers and owners
of the company need to be submitted to Companies House.
Moreover, since Liberty Wealth Publishing Ltd is clearly
trading in Europe, then its business practices need
to conform with European regulations.
2. Since Liberty
Wealth Club states that it is "dedicated to truth,
honesty, freedom and integrity", why doesn't
it give the name and address of its owner? It is also
required to do this under European E-Commerce Regulations.
Reply
from Liberty Wealth Club member: The club teaches
people the truth as to what is really going on behind
the scenes, who they are and what they can do about
it so they can personally benefit. This is a sensitive
subject. However, we also teach members about privacy
and to publish private details about any of its members,
including details of trustees, would contravene a key
belief of the membership.
BOW reply: Now you are talking about trustees. I
thought it was a limited company run by directors which
owns a club run by officers? Where do the trustees come
in? What is "really going on behind the scenes"
at Liberty Wealth Club itself?
3. Why do
you say on your website at www.garyfoxcroft.com that Liberty
Wealth Club is "nothing to do with MLM"
when not only is it patently obvious that it is MLM but
Liberty Wealth Club itself clearly believes that it is
MLM because at the foot of nearly every page on its website
at www.libertywealthclub.com it bears the statutory warning
which is only required for MLM schemes i.e.:
"It is illegal for a promoter or participant in
a trading scheme to persuade anyone to make a payment
by promising benefits from getting other people to join.
Do not be misled by claims that high earnings can be easily
achieved."?
Here's a link to the booklet of the DTI (now BERR) which
explains about Trading Schemes:
http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file24757.pdf
Reply from
Liberty Wealth Club member: I believe that the
LWC is not an MLM scheme. Your comment about about the
wording on the website is noted, however, and I understand
that this will be removed when the website is re-written.
BOW Reply:
The question of whether Liberty Wealth Club is or
is not an MLM scheme is not a question of belief - it's
a question of fact. According to the facts of Liberty
Wealth Club's Marketing Programme as publicised on its
web site, it's a multi-level scheme because there are
a number of levels and people at the higher levels receive
commissions based on the sales made by people at the
lower levels. For example, there are two different levels
within the Foundation Level - Member Retailer being
a new entrant who has not yet succeeded in bringing
six other members into the scheme and who receives £50
for each person he introduces, and Mentor Wholesaler
who receives commission ten times as high i.e. £500
for each of the first six new members brought in by
each Member Retailer in his team.
There are also two different levels at the next stage,
Key Seminar 1, under which you don't receive any commission
for your first six Key Seminar 1 sales - these all go
to the person who introduced you, who receives commission
of £2,560 for each of your sales. Once you have
succeeded in selling six Key Seminar 1's, then you too
start to receive commission of £2,560 on the first
six sales of Key Seminar 1 made by each member of your
team.
Liberty Wealth Club needs to consult with lawyers to
have the scheme changed and draw up proper documentation
so that it complies with the Trading Scheme Regulations.
The Trading Schemes Regulations were set up to protect
members of the public from getting carried away by dreams
of earning a lot of money from multi-level schemes and
investing money which they later regretted. Running
a multi-level scheme which does not comply with the
Trading Scheme Regulations is a criminal offence.
4. In February
this year I emailed Liberty Wealth Club to ask them for
a copy of the Distributor's Agreement, as required by
law under the Trading Schemes Regulations. I never received
it. Could you please provide me with a copy of the agreement
which Liberty Wealth Club presumably provided you with
when you joined? If Liberty Wealth Club is not providing
recruits with an agreement which complies with the law,
then Liberty Wealth Club is clearly an illegal scheme.
Reply
from Liberty Wealth Club member: A contract is
attached.
BOW reply:
The contract you have sent me does not even define what
Liberty Wealth Club is, let alone give its address.
This contract says that Liberty Wealth Club is a private
club, but it can't be private because it is openly touting
for members on the Internet. The club is clearly carrying
on a commercial activity and it is obliged to conform
with the law. This contract would be thrown out by any
court because it does not give members of Liberty Wealth
Club all the rights they are entitled to as members
of the multi-level scheme which the club operates, such
as protection from being asked to pay more than £200
in the first 7 days of joining a scheme and a 90-day
right to a refund for any goods they return.
5. Who are
Liberty Wealth Club's "experts in their given
fields" who are going to speak at Key Seminar
1 and when is this going to take place?
Reply
from Liberty Wealth Club member: The seminar
dates are notified to the membership as and when they
are arranged. So far we have had two. Because the subject
matter at the seminars is sensitive, the speakers want
to remain anonymous for their own protection. Also,
Liberty Wealth Club has signed confidentiality agreements
with the speakers and so it is prevented from publicising
who they are or where they are based. Members who have
attended these seminars have so far not been disappointed.
BOW reply:
Without details of the names of the speakers and their
credentials, it's impossible to know whether the advice
they give would be likely to have any value and whether
or not it would be risky to follow it. Hopefully, any
members of Liberty Wealth Club would consult with registered
financial advisors before making any changes to their
financial arrangements or making any investments.
6. Who are
the "foremost guest speakers and experts"
who will be speaking at Liberty Wealth Club's Key Seminar
2 and when is this going to take place?
Reply
from Liberty Wealth Club member: LWC have a preliminary
KS2 planned for 2010 but no dates have been released
yet, with regard to speakers I will repeat my comments
above.
BOW reply:
as for question 4 above.
7. Since
Liberty Wealth Club's seminars cover matters such as "global
investments normally reserved for the rich" what
assurances can you give that the investments are in reputable
companies with appropriate safeguards? I am sure you will
agree that this matter is very important because in September
1999 Dr. Rudolf Van Lin was convicted of fraud because
he became mixed up in a bogus prime bank scheme promoted
to members of his organisation Investors International
when they went on their offshore cruises to learn how
to become rich.
Reply
from Liberty Wealth Club member: IT IS
INCORRECT TO LINK Liberty Wealth Club with Investors
International and The Ultimate Entrepreneurs Club. Liberty
Wealth Club has nothing to do with either Investors
International or The Ultimate Entrepreneurs Club. I
did not know Dr. Lin personally (he died in June 2007).
I would not personally comment on his actions when I
have no first hand personal knowledge.
BOW reply: There are some undeniable links between
Liberty Wealth Club and The Ultimate Entrepreneurs Club.
Dr. Lin sadly fell foul of un-registered and unqualified
"advisers" and "experts" who acted
as speakers on his cruises and who persuaded members
of his club to make bogus investments. The Ultimate
Entrepreneur Club was inspired by Dr. Lin and was run
by his daughter Simone Burns Linschoten. Liberty Wealth
Club certainly has some "links" with The Ultimate
Entrepreneurs Club, even if it is limited to copying
much of their material for its website and copying their
structure for its courses and its marketing plan. I
asked you what assurances you could give that only reputable
investments would be recommended to your members and
you have not answered this question.
8. Do you
know why Liberty Wealth Club has copied whole blocks of
text from the website of The Ultimate Entrepreneur Club?
Reply from
Liberty Wealth Club member: I can't say that
I do but I am aware that a full re-vamp of the website
is currently underway.
9. Since Gary Foxcroft was
previously promoting The Ultimate Entrepreneur Club, can
you confirm whether or not the material people pay Liberty
Wealth Club for is also copied from The Ultimate Entrepreneur
Club?
Reply from
Liberty Wealth Club member: Liberty Wealth Club
has not copied information from The Ultimate Entrepreneur
Club. The concepts are, however, similar. In my opinion
Liberty Wealth Club gives more information than TUE
and represents greater value for money.
10. It seems
to me that anyone who regrets joining Liberty Wealth Club
has a 90-day right to a refund for any goods they return
under the Trading Schemes Regulations. Do you have any
comment on this?
Reply
from Liberty Wealth Club member: LWC is a specialist
publisher and members purchase products. There is a
14 day cancellation period during which time purchasers
can return products for a full refund.
BOW reply:
Because Liberty Wealth Club markets its materials with
a multi-level scheme, it needs to comply with the law
for such schemes. Under the law, customers of Liberty
Wealth Club have a 90-day right to a full refund for
goods they have bought.
Closing
Comments from Liberty Wealth Club member:
Some of
your comments give me the impression that you believe
you need to operate in a society which is conditioned,
regulated and monitored. Our members do not share this
belief.
Our members want to be free of regulatory control and
want to live their lives as they wish.
This is
a fundamental human right that has been eroded.
The Liberty Wealth Club materials teach people to control
their own lives without being influenced by other people.
Liberty Wealth Club do not seek praise or rankings in
organisations such as yours and will take action in respect
of anything that is said or printed in a public media
that is untrue or libellous.
BOW closing
comments:
My comments
have been directed at the rights of Liberty Wealth Club's
members and potential members. Liberty Wealth Club tries
to tell them that they have fewer rights than they actually
have under the law.
You and the
members of Liberty Wealth Club have chosen to live in
a regulated society. Therefore, you either obey the rules
or you risk substantial problems. If you and the members
of Liberty Wealth Club don't want to live in a regulated
society, then you should perhaps consider emigrating to
a country where there are few rules?
Otherwise,
it seems to me that Liberty Wealth Club has 3 options
to avoid problems:
1. Consult
with its UK lawyers to change the structure of its current
MLM scheme and draw up appropriate documentation so
that it is legal in the UK; or
2. Change
it from a multi-level scheme to a single level scheme
in which members receive commission only on sales which
they themselves personally make; or
3. Simply
sell the material for a price, in a normal fashion,
with no marketing commission plan.
If people
are recommending Liberty Wealth Club to their friends
because the material is as good as you say it is and not
just because they hope to earn £18,000 at Key Seminar
Stage 1 or £92,160 at Key Seminar Stage 2, then
option 2 or option 3 should be viable.
Rating:
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BOW Notice: A zero score or a low score means that
in our opinion the business model or the investment model
has flaws and/or that we have found inadequate evidence
to back up claims about earnings, sales, profits etc.
It doesn't mean this evidence does not exist and it doesn't
mean that the promoters are unprofessional or dishonest.
Questions arising are normally contained within the body
of the review, and readers who are interested should contact
the company with these questions and/or questions of their
own.
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Dear Sirs
thank you for the read out on the Liberty Wealth Club,
and I wish to ask the following questions, it would appear
that we do not have the full story on this enterprise,
first it would appear that you do not have a complete
overview of the organization and of how it is structured,
it would be an impossibility to make a rational decision
on it unless you understand the aims of the organization,
I feel that the overview which was sent is not completely
correct and might give a biased opinion, firstly the Club
is by invitation only as it is private, secondly it is
now going over 15 years with a huge membership worldwide,
with regards to Dr Lin I am still doing research on him
as he is now deceased, as this is an educational program
you do not have to bring anyone into it, but of course
their are incentives which is based on a 6x6 Matrix with
the money passed up,but you do not get this for nowt,
their are quiet a few different aspects to the Cub with
everything being self financing, but that is not the best
aspect to the club as their are many testimonials and
live contacts from various members, you should give a
look in on the following thelibertywealthclub.com and
grab yourself a cup of coffe or what ever and have a look
at the excelent videos produced
sincerely
Brook
__________________________________
Dear Sir/Madam,
I have
just read your Business Opportunity Watch assessment of
the Liberty Wealth Club. Looking over your criteria in
comparison to you rating I have to say I was surprised
at your rating! I have personal first hand experience
with the Liberty Wealth Club for 18 months and I would
say based on that my personal investment for membership
and the return I have had (on the education alone) this
was one of the very things I have ever done. I really
cannot put a price on the education I have received.
In financial
terms my return is to date is approximately 50 times what
I invested. And that is without getting anyone else to
join – just from my education and my application
of it. In addition to this you receive fantastic back
and help from real live people who know what they are
about. The Liberty Wealth Club is a private club and its
membership is by invitation only.
I would
highly recommend this education to anyone including your
good self. In my personal opinion and based on my first
hand experience and knowledge of MLM marketing and pyramid
schemes over the last 30 odd years the Liberty Wealth
Club does not fall into either of these categories. I
personally have always declined offers to join such schemes
as they do usually (95% of the time) benefit the few at
the top.
Personally
- I cannot see how you can give am accurate rating something
until you have;
1) - tried
it and have first hand personal knowledge and experience
And;
2) - obtained
feed back from those involved
On this
basis it is my personal opinion your rating criteria is
not accurate and does not give a clear picture.
Some of
the best examples of Pyramid and multilevel marketing
schemes that I have personal first hand knowledge of are
Pension Funds, Banks and bankers commercial and private,
any bank, any pension fund, credit card companies. Since
people have make investments into these and have lost
billions - lost their life savings etc. I would humbly
suggest you put them through your criteria and see what
kind of rating you would come up with for say Barclays,
Northern Rock, not to mention Bernie Madoff and Fred the
Shred (RBS) you may think these people are in the minority
but they are not. I think if you did that I believe you
would help a great many people.
I have
to say I like your website and what it stands for –
providing information on business opportunities and you
have probably saved a few or a lot of people money by
what you do -, however points 1 and 2 above in my opinion
are required for an accurate rating and a good example
of a similar company to your own is “The UK’s
No 1 Business Opportunity Resource” they at least
- obtain first hand experience.
Sincerely
Yours
Clubber
Editorial Reply:
Firstly, it's a criminal offence to promote Liberty Wealth
Club in the UK and, secondly, history has shown that most
people lose money with programmes like this where the
only money that comes in (which is distributed to people
already in the scheme) comes from money paid into it by
new recruits.
You are wrong in saying that Liberty Wealth Club is "a
private club and its membership is by invitation only".
This is merely a marketing ploy used by the people who
set up the scheme to try to give it the air of mystery
and exclusivity. The fact is that this scheme is widely
touted on the Internet ... and to get an invitation to
join it, all you have to do is apply.
Thanks for your "invitation" to join Liberty
Wealth Club, but we don't join any schemes or business
opportunities or franchises etc, let alone an illegal
one like Liberty Wealth Club. There are two reasons for
this.
The first one is that once you join a recruitment scheme
then any review you give of it is bound to be biased towards
giving a good review because you benefit financially if
more people join it.
The second reason is that we don't need to join a scheme,
business opportunity, franchise etc to know if it is any
good or not. All the signs are already there in the marketing
material if you know what to look for and how to research
the claims the company makes. As the editor I've had 14
years' experience of reviewing and researching schemes,
business opportunities, franchises etc so I've seen just
about every conceivable offer and I've seen what's happened
to it.
I haven't seen any other reliable source of unbiased reviews
on the Internet. The site you mention does not normally
try business opportunities themselves unless they are
thinking about promoting the opportunity themselves ...
in which case, how can their reviews be unbiased? The
feedback contained on their members site from members
who have tried an opportunity is very useful provided
you can distinguish the unbiased feedback from the feedback
from people with a vested interest e.g. people who are
in a recruitment scheme and promoters and their associates.
We do have feedback on our site, but it's posted together
with the review, so that readers can make up their own
minds from seeing both sides.
In the case of Liberty Wealth Club, people thinking of
joining it clearly have a decision to make. Do they want
to join a scheme which they know is illegal and is the
type of scheme where most people lose money, and then
try to make money by committing the criminal offence in
the UK of persuading other people to join it? That's a
personal decision, but at least if they have read this
then if they still decide to join Liberty Wealth Club
they will go into it with their eyes open.
_________________________________
Hi
I am delighted to have read your view of the Liberty Wealth
Club. Which you state is illegal. Please could you show
any documentation that concurs with your opinion? Also
on the fact that people have lost money and it is indeed
a pyramid scheme. Looking forward to receiving your reply!
Kind regards
Fred
Editorial
Reply:
I think that
if you read the review again you will find that it explains
quite clearly why it is illegal. The Trading Schemes Regulations
which Liberty Wealth is required to comply with - but
doesn't - are explained in a booklet issued by the DTI
(now called BERR), which you can find at this link:
http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file24757.pdf
In essence
(subject to certain specific exemptions which do not apply
to Liberty Wealth Club) any scheme is required to comply
with the Trading Schemes Regulations if the people in
it receive (or are led to believe that they may receive)
payments relating to sales made by other people in the
scheme. The Trading Schemes Regulations were introduced
to protect consumers and they give people in multi-level
schemes a number of important rights.
We have been
contacted by three people who have lost money with this
scheme.
If you want
to take this matter further, I suggest you contact either
your local Trading Standards office or a lawyer.
Hope this
helps.
Kind regards
Marian
Marian Owen
Editor of BOW
Feedback dated 21st July 2010 from Jan:
Hi BOW,
The Liberty Wealth Club IS run by Gary Foxcroft and is
a spin off from The Ultimate Entrepreneur. He had a "run
in" with Simone Linschoten (who took over The Ultimate
Entrepreneur after her father Rudolph Linschoten "died.")
saying she was spending the money quicker than it was
coming in and went off on his own.
I emailed him about the similarities too, especially the
video he used to have on the site and that was the reply
he sent me - don't know if the video is still there but
it was almost identical to the one from the early Ultimate
Entrepreneur founded by Rudolph Linschoten.
Best wishes
Jan
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